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Golf rule and ethiquette
okwoon
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Golfers A, B And C are on the golf course, betting big as they always do.

A tees off into the bunker. His ball is resting against a large leaf also in the bunker. He wants to remove the leaf, saying that he is allowed to remove the leaf as a loose impediment without penalty.

B cautions him that if the ball moves in removing the leaf, A will be penalised a stroke.

C forbids the leaf to be removed and insists that the ball must be played as it lies.

So the argument continues and the flight behind them starts to yell obscenities at them.

WHAT DO YOU THINK OF WHAT IS HAPPENING?
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aiya, why have to bet so big till gaduh 1...no fun lar
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get arnold palmer's book playing by the rules. good reference. i remember he said cannot move it in the hazard
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ai yo if have to gamble so big close the golf course play yourself la. just happen to me last sat. And then they get upset when u tell to hurry up

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hmmm. So far no one blames the course designer yet, for putting a bunker there...
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C is right. Loose impediments, i.e. twigs, leaves, stones, etc must not be touched or removed before playing a stroke from a bunker (2 penalty strokes). Some local rules do allow exception on stones. (Rule 23)
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If wanna gamble big ......no removal of anythin n no free drop .
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Rule 13-4. Ball in Hazard; Prohibited Actions
Except as provided in the Rules, before making a stroke at a ball that is
in a hazard (whether a bunker or a water hazard) or that, having been
lifted from a hazard, may be dropped or placed in the hazard, the
player must not:
a. Test the condition of the hazard or any similar hazard;
b. Touch the ground in the hazard or water in the water hazard with
his hand or a club; or
c. Touch or move a loose impediment lying in or touching the hazard.

Leaves are loose impediments but a candy wrapper or ciggy box is not. i think its safe to assume that anything natural is considered as loose impediments.
Anybody care to correct me?..
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ugetz wrote:
Rule 13-4. Ball in Hazard; Prohibited Actions
Except as provided in the Rules, before making a stroke at a ball that is
in a hazard (whether a bunker or a water hazard) or that, having been
lifted from a hazard, may be dropped or placed in the hazard, the
player must not:
a. Test the condition of the hazard or any similar hazard;
b. Touch the ground in the hazard or water in the water hazard with
his hand or a club; or
c. Touch or move a loose impediment lying in or touching the hazard.

Leaves are loose impediments but a candy wrapper or ciggy box is not. i think its safe to assume that anything natural is considered as loose impediments.
Anybody care to correct me?..


how about a ball resting on a rake in the bunker? what kind of animal is it? loose impediment, movable obstruction or immovable obstruction?
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Copy & paste from Rules of Golf / Golf Rules in iphone apps...good apps when you have limited memory size like me...hahaha

Rule 24-1b
If the ball lies in or on the obstruction, the ball may be lifted and the obstruction removed. Dropped when through the green or in a hazard, or placed on the putting green, as near as possible to the sport directly under the place where the ball lay...etc2

An obstruction is a movable obstruction if it may be moved without unreasonable effort etc2...

geraldsaw wrote:
ugetz wrote:
Rule 13-4. Ball in Hazard; Prohibited Actions
Except as provided in the Rules, before making a stroke at a ball that is
in a hazard (whether a bunker or a water hazard) or that, having been
lifted from a hazard, may be dropped or placed in the hazard, the
player must not:
a. Test the condition of the hazard or any similar hazard;
b. Touch the ground in the hazard or water in the water hazard with
his hand or a club; or
c. Touch or move a loose impediment lying in or touching the hazard.

Leaves are loose impediments but a candy wrapper or ciggy box is not. i think its safe to assume that anything natural is considered as loose impediments.
Anybody care to correct me?..


how about a ball resting on a rake in the bunker? what kind of animal is it? loose impediment, movable obstruction or immovable obstruction?
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I love to discuss about the rule of golf and sorry that I miss this as I jsut got back.

Bro Okwoon : The correct answer is C. As what bro ensqaard mention "Loose impediments, i.e. twigs, leaves, stones, etc must not be touched or removed before playing a stroke from a bunker" or hazard

However rake is an artifical object that can be rmoved without penalty.If the ball moves as a result, put it back without penalty.. candy wrapper, condom consider as artitical not loose impediments.

Denfinition for loose impediment in the rule of golf stated clearly :

are natural objects, including:
Stones, leaves, twigs, branches and the like,
dung and
worms, insert and the like, and the cast and heaps made by them

PROVIDED that are NOT
fixed or growing,
solidly embedded or
adhering to the ball

Sand and loose soil are loose impediments on the putting green, but not elsewhere

snow and natural ice, other than frost are either casual water or loose impediments at the option of the player

Dew and frost are not loose impediment.

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For the sick of the overview of the relief proceduces: Here is an list

Loose impediment : Remove without penalty. if the ball move
In Fairway = replace the ball but 1 penalty stroke
In Bunker & water hazard = Not allow
In Green = replace the ball, no penalty

Moveable obstruction : Remove without penalty. if the ball move
In Fairway, Bunker, water hazard and green = replace the ball, no penalty

Immovable obstruction : Relief in case of interference of lie/ Stance / swing
In Fairway = allow
In Bunker = allow
in water hazard = Not allow
In Green = allow, also if line of putt is interfered with

Abnormal ground conditions : Relief in case of interference of lie/ Stance / swing
In Fairway = allow
In Bunker = allow
In water hazard = Not allow
In Green = allow, also if line of putt is interfered with

Declaring a ball unplayable (under penalty of 1 stroke)
In Fairway = allow
In Bunker = allow
In water hazard = Not allow
In Green = allow

i copied above from the book of golf rules, so do not even question me hehehehe (just kidding)

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The case presented is a portrayal of typical issues (occurences) encountered on the golf course. Just like the golfers therein, those who had aired their views have picked different issues in their opinions.

Ball in the bunker

Yes, golfer C is right!
So are laser, slicer51, ugetz and ensgaard. Their discussions focused accurately on loose impediments and also extended the coverage into obstructions (brought in by geraldsaw), quoting relevant golf rules and definitions of keywords therein. sorry lah, wish i could give you each a prize.

Guys, to quote in parts from the rules book, it's said "to enjoy golf for yourself and others, you must know the rules. If you don't read the book from cover to cover, you must at least read the Quick Guide to the Rules as well as the Ethiquette section at the beginning of the book".

Betting and flight behind

Ethiquette is just as important as the rules. Due consideration ought to be given to other golfers for their enjoyment of the game too.Some discussions (or "dis-curse-sions" ?) on betting were put in.

Shall we hear some more views on the ethiquette?
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I think its not right to keep the flight waiting no matter how big is your bet. Its not fair for others.

Try playing in less crowded courses if you are slow....or you want to enjoy at your own pace. Golf is not only how good you can swing or score very well. I think a person with 24hcp with good atiquette would be more enjoyable then playing with those good but selfish player.

Read up the rules or keep one rules book in the bag if you cannot remember....to save time from arguments or even fights.. Smile
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ST wrote:
I think its not right to keep the flight waiting no matter how big is your bet. Its not fair for others.

Try playing in less crowded courses if you are slow....or you want to enjoy at your own pace. Golf is not only how good you can swing or score very well. I think a person with 24hcp with good atiquette would be more enjoyable then playing with those good but selfish player.

Read up the rules or keep one rules book in the bag if you cannot remember....to save time from arguments or even fights.. Smile


Wah ST. I really got to agree with you. its not the betting that is the issue. its the selfishness that makes them believe that the entire golf course is theirs and theirs only.

eg: yesterday the 2 balls flight in front us was so slow but they blame their front flight for being slow. what they did not realize was that we observed them needing 5 or 6 shots to reach a par four green. but it was acceptable if they had walked briskly or hurried but you know lah, they thought it was their grandfather's course and so they slowly saunter to the next shot. obviously never went through a handicap test.
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