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are modern day equipment really giving us longer distances?
Denmeister
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This is quite an honest article from GolfWrx.

http://www.golfwrx.com/65429/distance-for-dinner/

I especially like the 100m sprinter analogy. To run faster, do I train harder and learn the right techniques, or just go buy a new pair of shoes?

I have to admit that I do get swayed by the sales pitch of equipment manufacturers promising longer distances by using their latest gear, but at the end of the day, my distances seem to be longer when I SWING it corrrectly regardless of my equipment.

If you wanna buy a longer game, invest in improving your swing. At least you wont be filling up your storeroom with clubs that grow cobwebs.
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agree with you.

but the equipment change would be affect your game/ distance too if you use very old clubs (>10 years).

For instance, i've just change my iron form Ping i3 (2003) to Nike Vr Pro Combo (2012), with the same swing i could gain 15-20 meter for each club.

so, you dont need to change your club every year, unless you went to golf couse with a helicopter (i saw it in Palm garden gc last two week).

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Interesting article. Come to think of it most of us are suckers to the OEMs. But then again, without these marketing gimmicks, they can't tap into our wallets to make the industry flourish.

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khairul203 wrote:
agree with you.

but the equipment change would be affect your game/ distance too if you use very old clubs (>10 years).

For instance, i've just change my iron form Ping i3 (2003) to Nike Vr Pro Combo (2012), with the same swing i could gain 15-20 meter for each club.

so, you dont need to change your club every year, unless you went to golf couse with a helicopter (i saw it in Palm garden gc last two week).


The main difference between the old clubs and the new ones are the lofts.
Per the article, the old models has 50* as their pitching wedge. New models, PW can be 45*! That is where the "increase" in distance come from. The new model's irons are stronger lofts. Go ahead and do some research on the loft numbers between your two models.

No doubt, there are some technological advancements from 2003 to 2012, but if the lofts were to remain the same, the increase in distance may not be there. Instead, the improvements will help with the bad hits. Bad shots will still give you ok distance as compared to older models where the reduction in distance can be quite drastic.
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yup, i've done my own researc before i decide to bought a new set.

my Ping i3 #7i = 34.5 deg, and my current Nike #7 iron = 34.0 deg

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to me the biggest factor in increasing distance would be the following:

1. Driver, size, weight and material goes with it;
2. Shafts; and
3. Golf Ballssssssss

As for lofts of a club .. is a minor factor thingy and mainly mental issues. The OEM / Manufacturer just redesign the loft and the numbers on the iron to make a player feel good.

Ultimately, combination of decent swing (with the help of proper Pros) with the correct golf clubs set up, sky is the limit for us to bash hehehehe

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I think the new generation shaft is helping a lot on the distance.
Especially those Japanese brands, they are more friendly to the amateur golfers. Club head design... I not really sure, as I still using my 1st generation Ping Eye 2 =)
I will test out those new irons on the next Golfest hehe...

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It's fairly clear, new equipments give you longer distance, but that's only because they spec it up more, mainly longer shafts, stronger lofts, with usually a little bit of real new technology in the head design and all that

I think more importantly, is how well that set of clubs fit you and your swing, and if you're willing to let go of brand names, got a decent cheap brand like purefit and have it fully custom fitted to you and your swing, performance wise, i doubt you'll lose out any real performance with the custom set compared to any of the oem sets, and you probably save 50% of the budget

but most of us are wannabes and suckers for brands that we love, arent' we?
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I remember being told by one reputable club fitter here that equipment & technology performance wise play a part when it comes to the new Drivers in the market. Bigger head, bigger sweetspot, lighter shafts, lofts & lie variables, tune-ability, etc.

As for irons, the technology changes are usually quite subtle. So irons that were produced and marketed 5 - 6 years ago or longer are still playable.

For me, investment in new equipments will come when I see significant changes in performances of the new equipments in comparison to what I am using now.

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Based on the inputs So far, it seems like taking lessons to improve one's swing is still on a lower priority than purchasing new equipment IN THE HOPE of gaining distance.

With a better swing, it is a GUARANTEE of longer and straighter shots AND even longer distances with the new equipment.
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DenMeister wrote:
Based on the inputs So far, it seems like taking lessons to improve one's swing is still on a lower priority than purchasing new equipment IN THE HOPE of gaining distance.

With a better swing, it is a GUARANTEE of longer and straighter shots AND even longer distances with the new equipment.


taking lesson to fix your swing will take longer time. simply because it needs 10,000 hours (don't know truth or not) to make your muscle memory to take the new swing.
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the modern distance gain is achieved by :-

1. cranked up lofts on irons
2. longer and lighter shafts
3. thinner club face due to modern milling / chemicals / material / techniques
4. higher compression golf balls
5. large MOI and sweetspot on all faces
6. marketing gimmicks

for fine tuning :-
1. loads of shafts to choose from that will suit your optimum swing
2. adjustability on loft and lie on drivers - hybrids
3. computer aids in training i.e. TrackMan, SwingVision, launch monitors etc

alas, although all the modern equipment conform to USGA rules and regulations, there is still no industry standard in manufacturing these modern clubs.
for instance loft & length, lets compare 7iron vs 7iron, RocketBladeZ vs Jpx 825, 30.5* vs 32*, 37.0" vs 36.75"
USGA doesnt say that 30.5" loft is a 5 or 6 or 7 iron, its the manufacturers stamped it as a 7 in TM's product.
Hence the longer distance.
sometimes shaft option would improve distance. you'll never know Regular or Stiff flex could gain a few meters longer too.
example of shafts, Fujikura Fuel vs Grafalloy Prolaunch Blue, both weigh 57grams, both in stiff, both low kick, high trajectory, the only difference is the torque and CPM. IMHO, i feel the Fujikura Fuel is alot more whippier, more like a Stiff Regular/SR flex shaft but they brand it Stiff to psycho you consumers to think you could hit it harder or bomb further down the fairway.
marketing gimmicks gives you confidence that the equipment WILL help you. LOL.

so DenMeister, yes equipment does have its role in distance gain to the average golfer who just wants to hit longer than their flightmates. But of course, i do agree with a better swing - more consistency can be accomplished.

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First, you have to define modern equipment. If you're talking about upgrading from old callaway big bertha to RAZR Fit Extreme than of course the distance gain is significant. But if you are upgrading from last year model just because you see the manufacture claim, then it's just a waste of money.

I think that the real question here is whether any distance gain that you achieve gonna translate in to better score.
I don't care if my opponent hit an 8 iron when i hit 6. At the end of the day, what is the score and who's paying.

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greg norman used to consistently bang it 300 with wooden driver and older balata ball .........think about it.............now get your ass to the range and work on your technique and fitness Twisted Evil
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Most realized it's the indian, not the arrow; but the belief is........the best equipment is the ones we haven't bought yet.

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